Something old and something new! The basic setup is very simular to what you are used to, 2 plates with holes 8" on center. However, they are 3/8" thick and made from A50 Plate for strength! Thats the old part, the new on these versus the others we make is that some of you wanted a more Traditional style. These are Traditional in that they are vertical and still new in that the lower mounting point dosen't ride below the axle! Why eliminate clearance you have fought for? These will also work fine with the complete system and are also made from 3/8" plate. If you want them as part of the complete axle end system they are an option.